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	<title>Comments on: The Six Wives Of Henry VIII,  by David Starsky</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly that's fair.  It's one thing to quote verbatim and another to "interpret" or selectively quote someone.  When its coming from a compiled source (i.e. not quoting) as you typically find in a biography, you are relying on someone else's point of view and interpretation.  Instead of interpreting the quote yourself.

So yeah.  Have different standards for each group.  Its not really a double standard after all.... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly that&#8217;s fair.  It&#8217;s one thing to quote verbatim and another to &#8220;interpret&#8221; or selectively quote someone.  When its coming from a compiled source (i.e. not quoting) as you typically find in a biography, you are relying on someone else&#8217;s point of view and interpretation.  Instead of interpreting the quote yourself.</p>
<p>So yeah.  Have different standards for each group.  Its not really a double standard after all&#8230;. <img src='http://conservativebooktalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sincerelyornot</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>Sincerelyornot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite authors are the ones who present multiple scenarios.  They may be slanted to one, but at least you hear about the other ideas out there. I should probably have qualififed the "feminist slant" to mean "only presents ideas that make the women in the room look good."  For me, intellectual honesty makes almost any veiwpoint worth reading through, just to get a different perspective.  

:) Thanks for the warning, though I confess that I am more relaxed about details when someone historical wrote them than when an author uses them today.  I wonder if that's fair.  Without documentation, any biography is lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite authors are the ones who present multiple scenarios.  They may be slanted to one, but at least you hear about the other ideas out there. I should probably have qualififed the &#8220;feminist slant&#8221; to mean &#8220;only presents ideas that make the women in the room look good.&#8221;  For me, intellectual honesty makes almost any veiwpoint worth reading through, just to get a different perspective.  </p>
<p> <img src='http://conservativebooktalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Thanks for the warning, though I confess that I am more relaxed about details when someone historical wrote them than when an author uses them today.  I wonder if that&#8217;s fair.  Without documentation, any biography is lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Alison Weir: It depends on what you mean by "feminist slant." I think one of the valuable things that feminist scholars have introduced is the possibility of more than one reason behind a scenario. I would urge anyone interested in this period (or any other) to be careful with what they read. You know what might be a temptation or could be harful to you, but no I don't think Alison Weir is salacious merely for that fact. Rather, she is honest about what went on. She does reprint some of HVIII's letters to AB which may have some objectionable wording, but that is unavoidable when studying history. Sadly, people do things they shouldn't. Phillipa Gregory? Graphic! Alison Weir? Not. Being intellectually honest means admitting to the fact that yes, Elizabeth I may actually have been a virgin. It is possible. That is what I meant. I have read almost every book by Weir and find her scholarship much more thorough than Starskey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Alison Weir: It depends on what you mean by &#8220;feminist slant.&#8221; I think one of the valuable things that feminist scholars have introduced is the possibility of more than one reason behind a scenario. I would urge anyone interested in this period (or any other) to be careful with what they read. You know what might be a temptation or could be harful to you, but no I don&#8217;t think Alison Weir is salacious merely for that fact. Rather, she is honest about what went on. She does reprint some of HVIII&#8217;s letters to AB which may have some objectionable wording, but that is unavoidable when studying history. Sadly, people do things they shouldn&#8217;t. Phillipa Gregory? Graphic! Alison Weir? Not. Being intellectually honest means admitting to the fact that yes, Elizabeth I may actually have been a virgin. It is possible. That is what I meant. I have read almost every book by Weir and find her scholarship much more thorough than Starskey</p>
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		<title>By: sincerelyornot</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>sincerelyornot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Anne's protestant leanings a very interesting subject.  Her family, at least, seemed to look on religion as a political tool more than a personal conviction.  And it was very convenient that her religious feelings were opposite to those held by her enemies (ie, Catherine's supporters, the Catholics).  Still, she was the first royal to own the Bible in English - openly anyway - and a handwritten copy of Tyndale's edition at that.   

Nothing as complex as the overthrow of the papacy in England happens for just ONE reason.  There was lust after Anne (Henry), desire for power (Henry and nobility), greed for land (Henry, nobility, and gentry), and a genuine desire to return to Biblical grounds for corporate worship and teaching within the church itself all played a major part.  Throw in the printing press, the control of the Pope by Charles V, Henry's extravagent spending at court, the pride England had lost in losing so many wars (diplomatic and otherwise) to France and Spain, the puritan faction within England that had been calling for reform for decades, and the freedom of religious expression gained in the last few hundred years by women in England... no, lust was far from the only cause. :) And also among the less interesting in my mind.  I enjoy the politics of the whole situation as much as the religious arguments made.

Never read Alison Wier; what do you like most about her writing?  Her works seem to have a more feminist slant than most.  By intellectually honest, do you mean presenting multiple possibilities in one scenario (a trademark of other female writers like Mary M. Luke), or more open to other opinions?  Honestly, I havn't read them because the people who recommended them to me did so on the grounds of hey-cool-lots-of-grapic-premarital-behavior than of historical detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Anne&#8217;s protestant leanings a very interesting subject.  Her family, at least, seemed to look on religion as a political tool more than a personal conviction.  And it was very convenient that her religious feelings were opposite to those held by her enemies (ie, Catherine&#8217;s supporters, the Catholics).  Still, she was the first royal to own the Bible in English - openly anyway - and a handwritten copy of Tyndale&#8217;s edition at that.   </p>
<p>Nothing as complex as the overthrow of the papacy in England happens for just ONE reason.  There was lust after Anne (Henry), desire for power (Henry and nobility), greed for land (Henry, nobility, and gentry), and a genuine desire to return to Biblical grounds for corporate worship and teaching within the church itself all played a major part.  Throw in the printing press, the control of the Pope by Charles V, Henry&#8217;s extravagent spending at court, the pride England had lost in losing so many wars (diplomatic and otherwise) to France and Spain, the puritan faction within England that had been calling for reform for decades, and the freedom of religious expression gained in the last few hundred years by women in England&#8230; no, lust was far from the only cause. <img src='http://conservativebooktalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> And also among the less interesting in my mind.  I enjoy the politics of the whole situation as much as the religious arguments made.</p>
<p>Never read Alison Wier; what do you like most about her writing?  Her works seem to have a more feminist slant than most.  By intellectually honest, do you mean presenting multiple possibilities in one scenario (a trademark of other female writers like Mary M. Luke), or more open to other opinions?  Honestly, I havn&#8217;t read them because the people who recommended them to me did so on the grounds of hey-cool-lots-of-grapic-premarital-behavior than of historical detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As another Tudor nut, I was glad to see this book reviewed. Starkley does seem to be a bit arrogant on his subject. I did find his argument that Anne Boylen had Lutheran leanings, very valid. Most historians tend to ignore this or over simplify HVIII's protestantism as mere lust. Neither of which are the case. 

I would add to the reading list Alison Wier's books. I find her biographies not only well written, but much more intellectually honest. Her "Wives" and "Children" books are great reading. She pays special attention to detail using everything from laundry lists to love letters to weave a tale well told. Thanks for this review!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As another Tudor nut, I was glad to see this book reviewed. Starkley does seem to be a bit arrogant on his subject. I did find his argument that Anne Boylen had Lutheran leanings, very valid. Most historians tend to ignore this or over simplify HVIII&#8217;s protestantism as mere lust. Neither of which are the case. </p>
<p>I would add to the reading list Alison Wier&#8217;s books. I find her biographies not only well written, but much more intellectually honest. Her &#8220;Wives&#8221; and &#8220;Children&#8221; books are great reading. She pays special attention to detail using everything from laundry lists to love letters to weave a tale well told. Thanks for this review!</p>
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		<title>By: Sincerelyornot</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>Sincerelyornot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never read the whole timeline book: just the parts that grabbed my attention.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Gardenghi</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-552</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Gardenghi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen the timeline book but never messed with it.  That might be a good idea.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the timeline book but never messed with it.  That might be a good idea.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sincerelyornot</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-550</link>
		<dc:creator>Sincerelyornot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Genesis and the Mystery Confucious Never Solved" was pretty good.  Like "Two", above, its incidentally historical (the focus is on the how the linguistics of Mandrin relate to the Old Testament, mostly religious history).  

And a "timeline of world history" book that I borrowed from the library.  A massive tome, it had every time period in the world covered with relative accuracy (due to being from the 50s, even King Soloman was featured).  That might be helpful for an overveiw that would let you compare Indian and Chinese developments.  I was comparing Middle Eastern and European developments, and learned alot about other continents at the same time.  Sparse about the details, but an overveiw never hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Genesis and the Mystery Confucious Never Solved&#8221; was pretty good.  Like &#8220;Two&#8221;, above, its incidentally historical (the focus is on the how the linguistics of Mandrin relate to the Old Testament, mostly religious history).  </p>
<p>And a &#8220;timeline of world history&#8221; book that I borrowed from the library.  A massive tome, it had every time period in the world covered with relative accuracy (due to being from the 50s, even King Soloman was featured).  That might be helpful for an overveiw that would let you compare Indian and Chinese developments.  I was comparing Middle Eastern and European developments, and learned alot about other continents at the same time.  Sparse about the details, but an overveiw never hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Gardenghi</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Gardenghi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had forgotten about the Spymaster book.  You had written a review about that before.  Soon as I dig myself out of the reading hole I'm in, I'll have to look up that material.  

Oh and if anyone knows any good books about the history of China and/or India, let me know.  I'm looking for ancient history to quasi-modern (early 20th century).  Both secular and religious histories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had forgotten about the Spymaster book.  You had written a review about that before.  Soon as I dig myself out of the reading hole I&#8217;m in, I&#8217;ll have to look up that material.  </p>
<p>Oh and if anyone knows any good books about the history of China and/or India, let me know.  I&#8217;m looking for ancient history to quasi-modern (early 20th century).  Both secular and religious histories.</p>
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		<title>By: Sincerelyornot</title>
		<link>http://conservativebooktalk.com/2008/04/14/the-six-wives-of-henry-viii-by-david-starsky/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>Sincerelyornot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and the reason I reveiw only a few of these books for the site is because, I love the era, and once I get going its hardto stop.  "Her Majesty's Spymaster" is a pretty good one I forgot to mention.  Other people with releveant historical biographies include: Columbus, Martin Luther ("Here I Stand"), Tyndale, Francis I, Charles V of Spain (if anyone knows of a good biography on him I'd love to find one), Thomas Cramner, and Oliver Cromwell.  

There is a four-person biography by John Piper that includes Cranmer and Calvin and Luther, but I forget the title.  Its a good overveiw of the Reformation, and probably has the best one-page-overveiw of the Tudor period I've seen, from a reformation perspective anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and the reason I reveiw only a few of these books for the site is because, I love the era, and once I get going its hardto stop.  &#8220;Her Majesty&#8217;s Spymaster&#8221; is a pretty good one I forgot to mention.  Other people with releveant historical biographies include: Columbus, Martin Luther (&#8221;Here I Stand&#8221;), Tyndale, Francis I, Charles V of Spain (if anyone knows of a good biography on him I&#8217;d love to find one), Thomas Cramner, and Oliver Cromwell.  </p>
<p>There is a four-person biography by John Piper that includes Cranmer and Calvin and Luther, but I forget the title.  Its a good overveiw of the Reformation, and probably has the best one-page-overveiw of the Tudor period I&#8217;ve seen, from a reformation perspective anyway.</p>
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